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  5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: JASONVOORHEES, 1 week ago 05:26 PM (#81)

I personally don't see what all the fuss is about...

5 Fee allows me to:

Enter the I.M. (Arguably still the Best Value for Money Tour ANYWHERE)

Have a Chance to be selected for my Superleague 11 & 15 Area.

A Chance to Represent My Country.

as far as I'm aware the Fee allows me to Enter ANY S.P.A Event that I am Eligible to Enter.

Now people may say its all lining the Pockets of others, Others are saying that they are entering Tournaments that they have NO chance of Winning, Others are mentioning WOS - EOS - Tours etc... which are Costing MORE money yet are Growing...

yet at Least 50 - 73% of the Players that Enter those have a Slim Chance of Winning one of those...

the 5 is Nothing... what I don't agree with though is all the Fundraising for the World etc...

the Players that get picked for the Mens A or Masters A or Seniors A are Obviously Winning Enough Money to cover their OWN costs...

If Anything there should be Extra Funding for the L&D's and the Growth of Pool Under 15's etc...

David Duncan mentions Norther Ireland & England as Examples of what they pay etc...

what he hasn't covered is that the Northern Ireland Tour Keep a Percentage of Winnings aside from each of the Event Winners and give them the money when they represent The Country at the Europeans or the Worlds. If they Decide that they DON'T want to represent their Country at those Events then they Don't get the rest of their Winnings Which I think is GREAT.

Why should the Top players Keep earning a Grand a year - yet not want to represent their Country or better still - get the Worlds Paid for them just because its gonna be in South Africa or Australia.

so regarding the 5 Reg Fee ... Doesn't bother me one bit...

Value for money as far as I'm Concerned.

For the People NOT wanting to Pay the 5 ...

Then DON'T...

as far as I see it... the ONLY ones that won't want to pay... will be and should be the Ones that DON'T have any interest in Entering ANY S.P.A Events.
 
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RE: 5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: The Hurricane, 1 week ago 08:00 PM (#82)

above comments, spot on


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RE: 5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: chrisyboy, 1 week ago 04:32 PM (#83)

the monkey wrote:
knowledge wrote:
Gerryb wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:
geegee1984 wrote:
IM turnouts are dropping
West of Scotland poor Tour growing
East of Scotland pool tour in 1st year

IPA and Supreme Series growing

What is spas answer
Charge its members 5.00 hmm


Lets answer a few of your points;

IM turnouts dropping, yes, players choice who has qualified if they wish to attend but entries to the IMs were up, which surprised me.

West of Scotland and all the tours are up and great to see.

IPA growing yes, they run their events for the best players in Europe and the best players pay how much to enter them ?

Surpreme series growing, well since they have only ever ran one event, I would wait to see how they grow in their second year before I would say they are growing, as for charging, they took off over 41000 pounds from the entries /sponsorship to run the series in one club, their own.

As for the the membership fee being asked now from all players who wish to play in SPA events, I can understand why a lot of players are saying its to help out the top players but its not that simple.

The game is changing for the better and the SPA have to change or go backwards, the money raised from this will help pay towards ALL international sections along with developing the youths etc, how many times have you heard that other countries help pay expenses to their players to attend international events, where as the SPA do not, well its quite simple really, these countries charge 10 membership or even 20 membership fees from their members and have done for years, so now the SPA are starting to do the same and I think it should have done it when we first started in 1979.

We may lose leagues, we will certainly lose players but we have to start this at one point or the other, the same as the Scottish championships had to increase or does it just stay that way forever?

What 5 bought you in 2000 does not buy you the same in 2018, things change ladies and gentleman and the SPA has to change with the times ahead.


So the arguement for change is .............we should have done this years ago? Do the many want to subsidise the few would have been a more honest question. However, its not even a question, its being imposed. The players should be up in arms about this, its not just the fiver, its the democratic process being stripped away to serve the few (the selection process being one). Its the lack of proper financial accountability and the lack of leadership. A good leader can intriduce change but you have to take the members on the journey with you not just accept you will lose folk. If you call the SPA a business then at this point it is not fit for purpose.


When the books come out, get a set off your rep, scrutinise them and give us your thoughts. hmm




GERRY YOU ARE CORRECT ON THIS

ITS A DISGRACE THIS HAS BEING SCRAPPED THE WEE PLAYER HAS NO CHANCE AGAIN UNLESS HE OR SHE IS PALS WITH THE MANAGER

THE TRIALS WERE BEST THING TO HAPPEN


TIME FOR A NEW PROMOTER AND COMMITEE



For the wee players like myself who are trying our best and gaining ranking points for playing in the tours in the hope of a Scottish trial at some point in the future, are we to quit playing in the tours now? Will the auld pals act now come into force ? bit disheartening as we are all trying so hard to get there.

Hope something good comes out of the new system, does anyone know what the new selection process might look like? {how would the wee guy get a game for Scotland? i.e B1 or B2, if he had the ability} ,if the ranking points count for nothing then 5 will not make any difference as some of us will just quit playing in the tours.


Not sure if I have any valid points here, just sharing my thoughts.
 
Edited by chrisyboy 1 week ago 05:00 PM
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RE: 5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: spideradams, 4 days ago 11:35 AM (#84)

JASONVOORHEES wrote:
I personally don't see what all the fuss is about...

5 Fee allows me to:

Enter the I.M. (Arguably still the Best Value for Money Tour ANYWHERE)

Have a Chance to be selected for my Superleague 11 & 15 Area.

A Chance to Represent My Country.

as far as I'm aware the Fee allows me to Enter ANY S.P.A Event that I am Eligible to Enter.

Now people may say its all lining the Pockets of others, Others are saying that they are entering Tournaments that they have NO chance of Winning, Others are mentioning WOS - EOS - Tours etc... which are Costing MORE money yet are Growing...

yet at Least 50 - 73% of the Players that Enter those have a Slim Chance of Winning one of those...

the 5 is Nothing... what I don't agree with though is all the Fundraising for the World etc...

the Players that get picked for the Mens A or Masters A or Seniors A are Obviously Winning Enough Money to cover their OWN costs...

If Anything there should be Extra Funding for the L&D's and the Growth of Pool Under 15's etc...

David Duncan mentions Norther Ireland & England as Examples of what they pay etc...

what he hasn't covered is that the Northern Ireland Tour Keep a Percentage of Winnings aside from each of the Event Winners and give them the money when they represent The Country at the Europeans or the Worlds. If they Decide that they DON'T want to represent their Country at those Events then they Don't get the rest of their Winnings Which I think is GREAT.

Why should the Top players Keep earning a Grand a year - yet not want to represent their Country or better still - get the Worlds Paid for them just because its gonna be in South Africa or Australia.

so regarding the 5 Reg Fee ... Doesn't bother me one bit...

Value for money as far as I'm Concerned.

For the People NOT wanting to Pay the 5 ...

Then DON'T...

as far as I see it... the ONLY ones that won't want to pay... will be and should be the Ones that DON'T have any interest in Entering ANY S.P.A Events.
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RE: 5 registration fee passed at meeting today
by: chrisyboy, 2 days ago 09:02 AM (#85)

The 5 is nothing, just imagine what 10 would do, would make a huge difference to what the Spa could invest in for the future,no issues with paying the fiver at all.

Just would like to know how the future international selections would be made ?

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