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  EBA EC TEAM SCOTLAND
by: secretary, 12-04-2019 08:48 PM (#1)

The TEAM SCOTLAND entry has been submitted as follows

Scotland Mens A
Liam Dunster
Scott Gillespie
Ross Fernie
Lee Killen
Marc Fleming
Scott Ross
Ryan Fleming

Steven Allsion

Scotland Mens B
Johnny Slavin
Martin Keenan
Dan Wylie
Stevie Robertson
Chris Ingram
Hugh Thompson
Tony McCartan
Ross McInness
Craig McCreadie

Robert Edment

Scotland Mens B1
Chris Slack
Brian Taylor
Jamie Burnett
Lewis McHoul
R Stephen
David Riggins
Ryan Fisher
Clark Smith
Charles McCaig
Dawud Qadir

Scotland Mens B2
Graham Rae
Barry Lynn
Gary Gracey
Gary McLeish
Kevin MacLeod
Robert Allan
Scott Higgins
Morgan McInnes
Scott Kennedy
Andy MacKinnon


Scotland Ladies A
Yvonne Ewing
Shona Lucas
Ashley O'Neill
Gillian Haynes
Gemma Clyde
Jenny Lawson

Jackie McIntyre

Scotland Ladies B
Lisa Slavin†
Katie Paterson
Terri Lapsley
Amber Curran
Hollie Riddell
Amanda Cutt
Audrey Becket
Yvonne Boyle
Steanie Goudie

Wendy Mack

Scotland Ladies B1
Kim Black
Angela Tidball
Fiona Herd
Kathy Paton
Michelle Brown
Nikki Keenan
Sandra Bell
Diane Colville
Jacky Williamson
Sara Brown

Scotland Seniors A
Pete Smith
Billy Snaddon
Scott Dunbar
Niven Adams
Jimmy Pollock
Alan Saunders†
Martin Fisher

John McGinn

Scotland Seniors B
John Kerr
Stephen Hepburn
Paul Cochrane
Brian Garrick
Chris Scott
David Jack

Billy White

Scotland Seniors B1
Danny Turner
Nick Denson
Paul Harkness
Paul McIntyre
Garry Mitchell
Steve Webster
Gordon Dixon

Scotland Masters A
Robert Hoey
Stuart Anderson
Scott Lynn
Hugh McBride
Gavin Phillips
Ray Stuart

Matty Bowes
Charlie Shaw

Scotland Masters B
Mike McHardy
John Watson
Alan Banks
George Fagan
Mike Watson
Mark Donnan

Ally Menzies
Hemry Hope

Scotland Masters B1
Davie McGawn
Malky Cowan
Campbell Sarrison
Jimmy Gibson
Rab Bannerman
Mick Quinn

Dan Thonson

Scotland Under 23s A
Geo Edgar
Scott Coventry
Bryan Cummings
Morgan McInnes
Mark McAllister Jnr
Johnny McDermaid

Scotland Under 23s B
Stuart Weeks Jnr
Jordan Gribben
James Kelly
Declan Malley
Aidan Fleming
Mark Thomson

Scotland Under 23s B1
Sean Aird
Callum Fitzpatrick
Christopher Sands
Dylan Gray
Joe Herring
Cammy Jones

Scotland Under 18s A
Peter Braney
Josh Coventry
Reece Coventry
Ollie Whelan
Darren Kay
Keiran Haig

Scotland Under 18s B
Josh Kerr
Andrew Lammie
Joshua Allan
Aaron Raine
Steven Allison
Logan Hunt

Scotland Under 15s A
Kieran Kay
Taylor Jay Whyte
Ryan Martin
Logan Davidson

Scotland Under 15s B
Kian Martin
Cairn Robbie
Sam Davidson
Kian McDonald
 
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RE: EBA EC TEAM SCOTLAND
by: Basher, 13-04-2019 12:20 AM (#2)

Missing a few changes from what I can see in the menís.
 
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RE: EBA EC TEAM SCOTLAND
by: The Fox, 15-04-2019 01:14 AM (#3)

Good luck to all the SCOTLAND teams in Bridlington
 
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RE: EBA EC TEAM SCOTLAND
by: methodinthemadness, 16-04-2019 12:19 AM (#4)

Why is the B1 team stronger than the b team helpless
 
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RE: EBA EC TEAM SCOTLAND
by: The Hurricane, 16-04-2019 09:59 AM (#5)

methodinthemadness wrote:
Why is the B1 team stronger than the b team helpless


That is a bloody good point above..
 
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RE: EBA EC TEAM SCOTLAND
by: FlyingScotsman, 16-04-2019 12:00 PM (#6)

A few things, firstly the policy was removed and as such managers just went out and selected players right from the off.

The B manager selected players who then decided to tell him thanks but no thanks and let him down by not attending or even joining other teams.

This left the B manager short, so short that he even asked me, I was going down anyway for a few days for meetinbgs etc and said yes to help him out as I feel it was so unfair on him.

I still hope now he has no call offs and that will mean I do not have to play.

New policy will be in place asap.
 
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RE: EBA EC TEAM SCOTLAND
by: JASONVOORHEES, 16-04-2019 10:41 PM (#7)

secretary wrote:
The TEAM SCOTLAND entry has been submitted as follows

Scotland Mens A
Liam Dunster
Scott Gillespie
Ross Fernie
Lee Killen
Marc Fleming
Scott Ross
Ryan Fleming

Steven Allsion

Scotland Mens B
Johnny Slavin
Martin Keenan
Dan Wylie
Stevie Robertson
Chris Ingram
Hugh Thompson
Tony McCartan
Ross McInness
Craig McCreadie

Robert Edment

Scotland Mens B1
Chris Slack
Brian Taylor
Jamie Burnett
Lewis McHoul
R Stephen
David Riggins
Ryan Fisher
Clark Smith
Charles McCaig
Dawud Qadir

Scotland Mens B2
Graham Rae
Barry Lynn
Gary Gracey
Gary McLeish
Kevin MacLeod
Robert Allan
Scott Higgins
Morgan McInnes
Scott Kennedy
Andy MacKinnon


Scotland Ladies A
Yvonne Ewing
Shona Lucas
Ashley O'Neill
Gillian Haynes
Gemma Clyde
Jenny Lawson

Jackie McIntyre

Scotland Ladies B
Lisa Slavin†
Katie Paterson
Terri Lapsley
Amber Curran
Hollie Riddell
Amanda Cutt
Audrey Becket
Yvonne Boyle
Steanie Goudie

Wendy Mack

Scotland Ladies B1
Kim Black
Angela Tidball
Fiona Herd
Kathy Paton
Michelle Brown
Nikki Keenan
Sandra Bell
Diane Colville
Jacky Williamson
Sara Brown

Scotland Seniors A
Pete Smith
Billy Snaddon
Scott Dunbar
Niven Adams
Jimmy Pollock
Alan Saunders†
Martin Fisher

John McGinn

Scotland Seniors B
John Kerr
Stephen Hepburn
Paul Cochrane
Brian Garrick
Anton Riley
David Jack

Billy White

Scotland Seniors B1
Danny Turner
Nick Denson
Paul Harkness
Paul McIntyre
Garry Mitchell
Steve Webster
Gordon Dixon

Scotland Masters A
Robert Hoey
Stuart Anderson
Scott Lynn
Hugh McBride
Gavin Phillips
Ray Stuart

Matty Bowes
Charlie Shaw

Scotland Masters B
Mike McHardy
John Watson
Alan Banks
George Fagan
Mike Watson
Mark Donnan

Ally Menzies
Hemry Hope

Scotland Masters B1
Davie McGawn
Malky Cowan
Campbell Sarrison
Jimmy Gibson
Rab Bannerman
Mick Quinn

Dan Thonson

Scotland Under 23s A
Geo Edgar
Scott Coventry
Bryan Cummings
Morgan McInnes
Mark McAllister Jnr
Johnny McDermaid

Scotland Under 23s B
Stuart Weeks Jnr
Jordan Gribben
James Kelly
Declan Malley
Aidan Fleming
Mark Thomson

Scotland Under 23s B1
Sean Aird
Callum Fitzpatrick
Christopher Sands
Dylan Gray
Joe Herring
Cammy Jones

Scotland Under 18s A
Peter Braney
Josh Coventry
Reece Coventry
Ollie Whelan
Darren Kay
Keiran Haig

Scotland Under 18s B
Josh Kerr
Andrew Lammie
Joshua Allan
Aaron Raine
Steven Allison
Logan Hunt

Scotland Under 15s A
Kieran Kay
Taylor Jay Whyte
Ryan Martin
Logan Davidson

Scotland Under 15s B
Kian Martin
Cairn Robbie
Sam Davidson
Kian McDonald
 
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RE: EBA EC TEAM SCOTLAND
by: JASONVOORHEES, 16-04-2019 10:45 PM (#8)

My team Now Edited...

Anton Riley in...

due to unforeseen Circumstances Chris Scott can no longer make it.
 
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RE: EBA EC TEAM SCOTLAND
by: Drooney, 18-04-2019 07:27 PM (#9)

FlyingScotsman wrote:
A few things, firstly the policy was removed and as such managers just went out and selected players right from the off.

The B manager selected players who then decided to tell him thanks but no thanks and let him down by not attending or even joining other teams.

This left the B manager short, so short that he even asked me, I was going down anyway for a few days for meetinbgs etc and said yes to help him out as I feel it was so unfair on him.

I still hope now he has no call offs and that will mean I do not have to play.

New policy will be in place asap.



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RE: EBA EC TEAM SCOTLAND
by: Citizen Smith, 20-04-2019 09:52 AM (#10)

Drooney wrote:
FlyingScotsman wrote:
A few things, firstly the policy was removed and as such managers just went out and selected players right from the off.

The B manager selected players who then decided to tell him thanks but no thanks and let him down by not attending or even joining other teams.

This left the B manager short, so short that he even asked me, I was going down anyway for a few days for meetinbgs etc and said yes to help him out as I feel it was so unfair on him.

I still hope now he has no call offs and that will mean I do not have to play.

New policy will be in place asap.



"Policy let Johnny down" would have been enough Ross.


Maybe guys didn't want to play as they only get picked for county's C teams and would miss out 🤔
 
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RE: EBA EC TEAM SCOTLAND
by: JASONVOORHEES, 13-05-2019 11:51 PM (#11)

A don't think the policy let anyone down at all....

there's plenty of Very Good players out there in Scotland...

Theres been players I've asked in the past who would rather play for Mens B or Seniors A .... as much as I dint like it...

I cracked on and brought in Better Players...

Being a manager isn't just about picking yer pals...

or picking who everyone thinks is better than him or her...

My Team (Seniors Cool has changed EVERY Year...

Ive never had the same 6/7 Guys for the past 3 years..

and My Team has WON the last 4 events..

When Gary WON the Mens B event 2 year in a row...

he never had the first pick of the Bunch on those 2 occasions..

Do yer Homework...


Be Brave draft in players that other managers may have or not have thought about but were afraid to ask...

The ONLY thing Players SHOULDNT be allowed to do is:

Say YES to one manager then change his/her mind and join another team.

apart from that... Dig in ...

Players are Entitled to play for who ever they want to play for...

They Pay their hard earned cash and take a week off work ...

to represent their country and enter a Team event that has NO pay out..

They need a good run in the Individual Event to try make some money back..

so because of that Reason... Why should players be told who they CAN or CAN'T play for...
 
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RE: EBA EC TEAM SCOTLAND
by: Sting, 14-05-2019 09:24 AM (#12)

It is a tough one tiger, personally I don't think you should be able to turn down a team and play for another unless you have a valid reason which would then be ratified by a committee.
For that event I picked my team as strong as I believed I could make it and we lost out by a frame for the final, tough to take.
I think there has to be a clear policy in place with a structure so that everyone is working from the same page.
Communication from the managers is paramount also.
The last event was just a case of get your team done and forget everyone else imo that is not the way it should work.
I also believe that trials are required also so that people who may be overlooked have a chance at a spot.

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RE: EBA EC TEAM SCOTLAND
by: The Hurricane, 14-05-2019 10:54 AM (#13)

I agree 99% with Tiger, Thankfully Team Scotland is extremely strong in all teams that we enter, so selection is not as much an issue as it would be if we were not so strong ability wise in who the respective Managers can bring in, However if I can use the Mens "B" teams as an example.....WITH NO DISRESPECT MEANT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL PLAYER WHATSOEVER..

It looked to me that the teams were not picked on the ability of the individual player. surely the B team manager should get first pick of players, then the B1 manager and so on, so on.....or has this been done away with?
 
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RE: EBA EC TEAM SCOTLAND
by: The Hurricane, 14-05-2019 10:59 AM (#14)

JASONVOORHEES wrote:
A don't think the policy let anyone down at all....

there's plenty of Very Good players out there in Scotland...

Theres been players I've asked in the past who would rather play for Mens B or Seniors A .... as much as I dint like it...

I cracked on and brought in Better Players...

Being a manager isn't just about picking yer pals...

or picking who everyone thinks is better than him or her...

My Team (Seniors Cool has changed EVERY Year...

Ive never had the same 6/7 Guys for the past 3 years..

and My Team has WON the last 4 events..

When Gary WON the Mens B event 2 year in a row...

he never had the first pick of the Bunch on those 2 occasions..

Do yer Homework...


Be Brave draft in players that other managers may have or not have thought about but were afraid to ask...

The ONLY thing Players SHOULDNT be allowed to do is:

Say YES to one manager then change his/her mind and join another team.

apart from that... Dig in ...

Players are Entitled to play for who ever they want to play for...

They Pay their hard earned cash and take a week off work ...

to represent their country and enter a Team event that has NO pay out..

They need a good run in the Individual Event to try make some money back..

so because of that Reason... Why should players be told who they CAN or CAN'T play for...



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I think players should be able to decide which CATEGORY they wish to play in (age applicable of course) but NOT which team.

example: If I was to be picked for say a B5 team, I could say to big Bob, if you are asked, don't play in the B1, B2 etc etc until you are asked for the B5 team, this for me is totally wrong.

just my thoughts..
 
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RE: EBA EC TEAM SCOTLAND
by: duffman, 15-05-2019 07:55 PM (#15)

The Hurricane wrote:
I agree 99% with Tiger, Thankfully Team Scotland is extremely strong in all teams that we enter, so selection is not as much an issue as it would be if we were not so strong ability wise in who the respective Managers can bring in, However if I can use the Mens "B" teams as an example.....WITH NO DISRESPECT MEANT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL PLAYER WHATSOEVER..

It looked to me that the teams were not picked on the ability of the individual player. surely the B team manager should get first pick of players, then the B1 manager and so on, so on.....or has this been done away with?


That was done away with before this event. First come first serve for all managers of teams.
 
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RE: EBA EC TEAM SCOTLAND
by: JASONVOORHEES, 15-05-2019 08:09 PM (#16)

Sting wrote:
I think there has to be a clear policy in place with a structure so that everyone is working from the same page.
Communication from the managers is paramount also.


Despite the changes made to the policy The Seniors Section still went about it the same way...

Pete picked his A Team...

I picked my Seniors B...

I also went with the Rankings again ending 2018 for the Seniors Tour... as I believe that would be the best despite the changes...
I also check my Team stats from last year (winners or not) I don't want to be carrying any players... I believe one can have a Bad day at an event... but a bad week ... NOPE DEFO NOT ....

and Danny Picked his B1 team ...

We picked them in order so that the A Team is and should be stronger...

if pete overlooks someone I believe could easily be in that A team... then Tough..

once his teams picked then my only concern after that is mine...

You also mentioned Trials.... did you have Trials for your Team Sting? ...

its the Managers discretion to have Trials if he or she wishes....

just because there's no policy doesn't mean to say you cant have trials...

you can have 32 man knockout comp for 4 places if you want... 8 man 1 frame round robin for 1 place...

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RE: EBA EC TEAM SCOTLAND
by: JASONVOORHEES, 15-05-2019 08:35 PM (#17)

further more and this is gonna sound really SELFISH...

however I don't care what way it comes across...

My ONLY concern is the SENIORS... (My Position)

I couldn't give a toss about the Rest of the Managers and how they pick their teams...

if they want to sit and moan and say things aren't fair...

then give it to someone else...EMBRACE the Challenges...

Learn from them...

one things for sure..

Managers are Judged for their results at Events...

Id like to think most Managers are given a 2 year period to stamp their authority and correct things and learn from passed events. Any titles NOT won during that period then the Committee over seeing the Managers would appoint someone else...however because Managers are selected Every year.. I don't know what way the Committee look at things.

Hence the reason for my quote "I couldn't give a toss about any of the other managers"

Theres Ladies & Gentlemen out there who would love a crack at Managing a Scotland Team... and wouldn't care one IOTA what the terms were...

they would bite yer hand off for it...

Managers need to use the Experience from this year and move on...

Ross states there will be a NEW Policy ASAP?

WHY??? because some managers have went ahead and picked all the so called good players or their Pals?

if that really was the Case then I believe the Team I used to play for on a WED Night would be stronger than the Mens A Team (IMO) what a Mens B Team that would be... WOW

until we see or read exactly what the new policy brings...

we need to Focus and Concentrate on our Jobs for the Nations.

 
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RE: EBA EC TEAM SCOTLAND
by: The Hurricane, 16-05-2019 10:08 AM (#18)

JASONVOORHEES wrote:
further more and this is gonna sound really SELFISH...

however I don't care what way it comes across...

My ONLY concern is the SENIORS... (My Position)

I couldn't give a toss about the Rest of the Managers and how they pick their teams...

if they want to sit and moan and say things aren't fair...

then give it to someone else...EMBRACE the Challenges...

Learn from them...

one things for sure..

Managers are Judged for their results at Events...

Id like to think most Managers are given a 2 year period to stamp their authority and correct things and learn from passed events. Any titles NOT won during that period then the Committee over seeing the Managers would appoint someone else...however because Managers are selected Every year.. I don't know what way the Committee look at things.

Hence the reason for my quote "I couldn't give a toss about any of the other managers"

Theres Ladies & Gentlemen out there who would love a crack at Managing a Scotland Team... and wouldn't care one IOTA what the terms were...

they would bite yer hand off for it...

Managers need to use the Experience from this year and move on...

Ross states there will be a NEW Policy ASAP?

WHY??? because some managers have went ahead and picked all the so called good players or their Pals?

if that really was the Case then I believe the Team I used to play for on a WED Night would be stronger than the Mens A Team (IMO) what a Mens B Team that would be... WOW

until we see or read exactly what the new policy brings...

we need to Focus and Concentrate on our Jobs for the Nations.




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RE: EBA EC TEAM SCOTLAND
by: JASONVOORHEES, 17-05-2019 09:38 AM (#19)

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[quote]JASONVOORHEES wrote:
A don't think the policy let anyone down at all....




I think players should be able to decide which CATEGORY they wish to play in (age applicable of course) but NOT which team.

We have done the Category thing Hurricane...

Players will happily trial for Mens A - Seniors A - Masters etc... But when asked after that Trial to play for MY team (Example)
they just say NO thanks mate... My mate is running the B team am gonna play in his Team... (i would stand there saying to myself WTF are you even here at this Trial then?

There are still players out there who are always gonna believe they are too good for certain teams or Events...
My philosophy to that - or answer to that would be ( you want to play in the seniors A Team (yes) well come and play in my Team at the European Event and Win the Seniors Individuals.... walla (the Best Way to get into ANY Team) Win their Individual Event.

Also the amount of players that put their name down for the Mens A is Ridiculous (Top 8 players in the Country Ranked)
Then yer Scottish Champ - European Champ - World Champ (That should be it) the rest would be upto the Managers Discretion to make a few phone calls. (in saying that The A team Manager would probably already have his short list of 8 - 10 players anyway)

example: If I was to be picked for say a B5 team, I could say to big Bob, if you are asked, don't play in the B1, B2 etc etc until you are asked for the B5 team, this for me is totally wrong.

just my thoughts..


The only problem I see with that is .. there are some Managers/Players out there or have been out there that would ask someone to play for them - knowing fine well that they will say NO - thus stopping them being asked to play for another Team...

Which just benefits other countries and not our Own because that player cant play for another manager because he/she has rejected first choice.

Don't get me wrong theres loads of idiots out there at times and I would be one of those in certain times of a once Grumpy ill feeling Chapter in my Life... However being a Manager - I want to win as many things as I can and if i have a grudge against someone just now or maybe in the past... but that person is a very good pool player and I feel can help my team win an event...

Then I am gonna ask that player if he/she would be interested because as much as the grudge may still be there... i would be more than happy to put up with that for a week if it means the Team winning that event.

Also the Hope of trying to Build Bridges...

The past is the past some of us cant deal with it... some of us can move on quite easily...

some of us will still carry a lot of hurt and resentment - some of us just want out of there NEVER to speak or hear from that person ever again.

So it is a hard call Hurricane... Especially as I said before ... Those players are paying their own way at these events...
and they are using up their Holidays to play in these Events...

it would be a different scenario if the Government or the Association was covering ALL the costs..

Then Yes I would Agree that you shouldn't be able to turn down a Manager when/if he/she asks you to play.
 
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